[apps-discuss] R: FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to IETF-Mobile Social Networking

Goix Laurent Walter <laurentwalter.goix@telecomitalia.it> Mon, 19 December 2011 10:28 UTC

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From: Goix Laurent Walter <laurentwalter.goix@telecomitalia.it>
To: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com>, "ext Murray S. Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com>, "apps-discuss@ietf.org" <apps-discuss@ietf.org>
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:28:44 +0100
Thread-Topic: [apps-discuss] FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to IETF-Mobile Social Networking
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Subject: [apps-discuss] R: FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to IETF-Mobile Social Networking
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Hello all,

I'm glad to see that this triggered a first debate quickly.

>From OMA perspective an end-to-end approach is being considered that intends to reference/profile external specs as much as possible whenever it make sense and covers the requirements. The idea is to limit isolation and reuse "popular" specs when applicable, also liaising to discuss possible extensions that are not necessarily mobile-specific but that could potentially benefit the whole spec.
The OMA spec is also defining some specific behaviors, which are internal to the mobile device, and which does not impact apis/protocols.

That said, wrt IETF, the "mobile" aspect is not the focus as Hannes anticipated. Several IETF specs are mentioned indeed as background information only. At this stage the appsawg seems to be the "best" group within IETF to address some "application-level" SN data formats and protocols. I agree that in the large, "Social Networking" covers many protocol layers and features, but this liaison is indeed targeted to get feedback from this specific group only at first, but of course could be extended upon evident interest.

Wrt Paul's early answers on his draft (although not (yet?) a group's draft), there is truly some intention to map phone numbers to acct: IRI/URIs. I would be available for working at a separate draft as well.


-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
Inviato: domenica 18 dicembre 2011 10.54
A: ext Murray S. Kucherawy; apps-discuss@ietf.org
Oggetto: Re: [apps-discuss] FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to IETF-Mobile Social Networking

Hi Murray,

I believe the OMA just added the term "mobile" to social networking to
make it appear more relevant to their main constituency, i.e. vendors of
mobile phone equipment and cellular operators. So, I wouldn't give this
too much consideration.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:apps-discuss-
> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Murray S. Kucherawy
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:42 AM
> To: apps-discuss@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to
> IETF- Mobile Social Networking
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:apps-discuss-
> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:08 AM
> > To: ext SM; Likepeng
> > Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] FW: Liason statement from OMA CD WG to
> IETF - Mobile Social Networking
> >
> > The problem is that certain organizations do their work around high
> > level application concepts. Some of these concepts are contributed
> > innovation in the area of marketing. Examples: cloud computing,
> > machine-to-machine communication, smart grid, etc.
> >
> > Since the IETF follows a different approach for doing their work it
> is
> > difficult to map any of these concepts directly to IETF working
> groups.
> >
> > If one thinks about Mobile Social Networking then a number of IETF
> > technologies come to my mind that could be relevant, such as HTTP,
> TLS,
> > OAuth.
> I am fairly certain that the "Social Networking" part of this either
> falls squarely within the Applications Area, or (b) falls clearly
> outside of the IETF altogether.  It depends on which aspect of it
> discussing.
> The "Mobile" part is less obvious.  Depending on what we're talking
> about, that can spread across several areas (SEC, RAI and RTG come to
> mind), or might be the realm of the GSMA and OMA.
> For the specific details of this request, I suspect APPSAWG was the
> wrong recipient.  The specific I-D they named is not currently an
> APPSAWG item and there's no guarantee it will be, and most of the
> topics listed are things I haven't heard discussed anywhere at IETF
> I imagine the OMA Liaison (i.e., me) and the Applications Area ADs
> would be the right place to start to form a response.  Other ADs might
> also need to be tapped.  I'll get that ball rolling shortly.
> -MSK
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