Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter proposal

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 06 April 2013 01:02 UTC

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On 04/06/2013 01:15 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> 
> On 4/5/2013 5:05 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>> To be frank, I interpret that as purely argumentative
> 
> it wasn't intended that way.

Well, ok, I guess.

>>>>   and the above text seems to me to indicate
>>>> a lack of distinction between the proponents of this draft charter
>>>> and an eventual WG which will inevitably involve people that are
>>>> not currently involved in dmarc.
>>>
>>> Huh?  When have charters ever made such a distinction?
> 
> and you neglected to respond to this, which also was meant as a serious
> question.

I don't know that charters proposed for new wgs have or have
not included such distinctions, and haven't gone looking. I'd
not be surprised if there were lots of things that have been
proposed as charter text that never made it into any real
charter.

And yet again, I said this point is a quibble. I said I
could live with the current text if the substantive issues
are fixed. I hope that that answers your serious question
about my quibble;-)

S.