Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered"), and related issues
Olafur Gudmundsson <ogud@ogud.com> Fri, 15 January 2010 14:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered"), and related issues
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At 05:01 15/01/2010, Magnus Westerlund wrote: >Olafur Gudmundsson skrev 2010-01-14 15:13: > > At 03:39 13/01/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: > > > >> > IMO, this basically treats SRV names as old port numbers were treated - > >> > i.e., ask for a name, get ALL transports. That's how port number > >> > assignments were done until recently, where now only the needed > >> > transport is assigned. > >> > > >> > So IMO a service means something only relative to a transport. However, > >> > it'd be useful to require the transport be specified only if the same > >> > name would mean different things for different transports. Do we ever > >> > see that happening? > >> > >> Right. Or, in other words, if you have a service name, it's yours for > >> all transports, just as ports used to be. (There are so many service > >> names that we can burn combinations that aren't used, and limit > >> interactions with IANA.) > >> > >> Lars > > > > The important point is: > > Each service is going to have one or more transports that are "preferred", > > these preferences need to be noted in the registry. > > (this point applies both to port allocations and service names). > > > > See section 5.1 of > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gudmundsson-dnsext-srv-clarify-00 > > > > for proposed search order when priority order is not known. > > > >I thought this was going to be covered in the reference that explains >how the SRV is used with service X. I think that is the most appropriate >place to indicate which protocols are expected to be supported and for >which usages which is the most appropriate. > > >From the Service name registry point of view this is not needed >information. However, I agree that for the user of the service name it >is clearly of interest. But as I said before, it is service specific. > >Cheers > >Magnus Westerlund What Alfred and I envision (and apps people correct me if I'm wrong): The SRV update document specifies a default order of transports to use, the registry in the Notes field[1] stores transports in priority order for a service if different from default. If a service does not envision using SRV then that should be noted. The document/application for service lists the priority order when different from the default. [1] We can add a special column to the Service registry for transport list. Olafur
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [port-srv-reg] "assigned" ( vs. "registered")… Olafur Gudmundsson