Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com> Wed, 10 August 2011 15:14 UTC
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Ellermann [mailto:hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:22 AM > To: Murray S. Kucherawy > Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF > > IMHO 0.01% SenderID vs. 16% SPF in a DNS survey published 2010 is now a > not completely irrelevant result -- that SPF started earlier will never > change, and at some point in time adoption has to mean something. > > DKIM started after SenderID, and it is already far beyond this level in > the same study. It's not something that should be mentioned in an RFC, > but it is a motivation to work on a refresh version covering all errata, > and with updated references, e.g., RFC 5321/2 instead of RFC 2821/2. Given the history, maybe this is a case where an implementation report, normally used to promote something to Draft Standard, would be especially helpful? > The SPF modifier registry could be also started in a MARF RFC, starting > a registry as soon as it *might* be used can be too early if it is in > fact never updated later, starting it as soon as there is more than > one RFC needing values in the same namespace could be a good plan. But for > the SPF modifiers it would be clearer to start the registry in 4408bis, > if that is possible, because the MARF use case are "special modifiers", > not the place where readers would expect details of a general concept. I think it would best appear here, but I don't have a problem doing it in the MARF extensions draft to which you are referring.
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann