Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-gap-analysis-05
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Tue, 16 April 2013 19:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-gap-analysis-05
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> it's just that doing a second downref Last Call for this document seems a bit OTT. Actually, as this doc is itself Informational, there are no downrefs. We can change any reference to normative, with no need for a second last call. That would only be needed if this doc were Standards Track or BCP. Barry On Tuesday, April 16, 2013, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Ted, > > On 16/04/2013 16:06, Ted Hardie wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Brian E Carpenter < > > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> Yes, I am aware of that, and it's a matter of judgement, but > >> since this draft is not in any sense a protocol specification > >> or a pseudo-BCP, I am not sure why it needs *any* normative > >> references, let alone downrefs. There is certainly no > >> process requirement for them. > >> > >> > > I certainly agree that there is no process requirement, but there is a > > potentially useful result. When I see a document like this with 9 > > normative references (as it has now), I get the sense that those are the > > ones which are needed context and that the informative ones are useful > > additional information. That maps to "Essential reading" and "Useful > > additional information", which is pretty much the same mapping as > > "Normative" and "Informative" have in a protocol spec. It's not > *exactly* > > the same, I grant you, but it's an approximation. My question about the > > three listed as "starts from" might have been better phrased as: are > these > > "Essential Reading" or "Useful additional information"? > > IMHO, the RFCs are necessary reading for a complete understanding. > The I-D is far too expired for that, although there has been some > discussion of reviving its contents. > > Of course, as an author I will follow whatever the WG chairs and AD > decide is the consensus - it's just that doing a second downref Last Call > for this document seems a bit OTT. > > Brian > > > > regards, > > > > Ted Hardie > > > > > >> Brian > >> > >>> Barry > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >>> > >>>>>>> "starts from existing work in [RFC5887], > >>>>>>> [I-D.chown-v6ops-renumber-thinkabout] and [RFC4192]." but the > >>>> references > >>>>>>> to these documents are informative. If the document is meant to be > >> an > >>>> extension, > >>>>>>> rather than a replacement, such that these documents must be read > to > >>>> get the full > >>>>>>> picture, than a normative reference may be better. > >>>>>> Well, we don't have a category for "informative, but really > important > >>>> context", so I leave it to you to pick. I would personally likely > >> choose > >>>> normative to highlight their importance. > >>>>> [Bing2] Ok, if normative could highlight the importance without > >>>> implication of extension or replacement, then I think it is good. > Thanks > >>>> for the suggestion. > >>>> > >>>> RFC 5887 and 4192 are Informational so cannot be normative, and the > >> draft > >>>> is long-expired so cannot be normative. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Brian > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> apps-discuss mailing list > >>>> apps-discuss@ietf.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;> > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> apps-discuss mailing list > >> apps-discuss@ietf.org <javascript:;> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org <javascript:;> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >
- [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-gap-an… Ted Hardie
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Ted Hardie
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Ted Hardie
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-6renum-ga… S Moonesamy