Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter proposal
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 01 April 2013 22:16 UTC
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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter proposal
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Hi Stephen, We've already had this very conversation, so we're aware of the issue. The text we have was an attempt to re-create the same constraints DKIM had, preferring no changes, but not completely proscribing it either. It sounds like we have a little more text massaging to do to make it clear that's where were trying to go. Thanks, -MSK On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>wrote: > > FWIW, I'm concerned about this charter text: > > "The strong preference is for the working group to preserve existing > software and procedures. For changes likely to affect the installed > base, the working group will seek review and advice, beyond working > group participants, to include other developers and operators of > DMARC-based mechanisms. " > > I don't know how the not-yet-formed WG can have a preference nor > how a formed-wg can seek advice "beyond the working group" with > our processes. > > Both of those would seem like charter-show-stoppers to me (and > fairly reek of rubber-stamping to put it pejoratively). > > We had to, and did, address similar issues with DKIM/DomainKeys > so I hope that a similar approach will also work here - its > fine for proponents of a technology to prefer no change but > its not fine to constrain an IETF WG to rule out changes, but > I reckon its actually not that hard to write down something > that works, as we eventually did in the DKIM case. > > (I've not read the draft yet so this is just a comment on the > charter text, not on the meat of the proposal. I do think this > point deserves to be raised on apps-discuss given that its not > really dmarc-specific.) > > Cheers, > S. > > On 04/01/2013 06:25 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > At the IETF meeting in Atlanta, Tim Draegen presented a proposal for > DMARC, > > which is an email authentication and reporting layer atop SPF and DKIM. > > The externally-developed proposal is now in widespread deployment by a > > number of large-scale providers. The group that developed it is seeking > to > > bring it to the IETF for further development and broad review, and > > development of operational guidance. > > > > A first draft of a charter can be found linked from > > http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/wg/appsawg/trac/wiki. > > > > There is a dmarc@ietf.org list available for discussing the technical > > contents of the work and also this draft charter. Please follow up there > > with any charter contents so we don't innundate this list with that > > discussion. To subscribe to that list: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc > > > > -MSK > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > apps-discuss mailing list > > apps-discuss@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > > >
- [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter propos… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell