Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF
Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> Sat, 13 August 2011 17:36 UTC
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From: Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:36:26 +0200
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On 13 August 2011 00:24, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > This is exactly the process objection I have. Hi, I'm not sure how obvious this is for others, but SPF is completely unsuited as an "example" or "precedence" in more general two vs. three steps procedural discussions. When RFC 4408 was published as an "IETF experiment" SPF was already widely deployed, and the RFC was in fact the result of experiments based on earlier Internet drafts, and submitted as a "proposed standard". For let's say "non-technical reasons" it ended up as an experimental RFC, and anybody interested in the details can dig through old MARID and spf-discuss mail archives, or try to reconstruct the SPF history from footnotes in the appeal to the IAB -- NOT RECOMMENDED unless you have a grim sense of humour. In other words, SPF is not really the first incarnation of a new "four steps" procedure, but there are certainly errata justifying a 4408bis, and I'd be interested to work on that if it is for "standard tracks". Otherwise I'd say that implementors should find the errata page on openspf.org, its URL is not affected by the "status" of erratum 994. -Frank
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann