[apps-discuss] draft IETF 80 minutes

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These are draft minutes:


Corrections are welcome.

Many thanks to Bert Greevenbosch for scribing!


AppsArea / APPSAWG Meeting Minutes
Monday, March 28, 2010, 0900-1130
Prague, Czech Republic
Hilton Prague, Congress Hall II

Area Directors: Alexey Melnikov, Peter Saint-Andre, Pete Resnick

APPSAWG WG Chairs: Barry Leiba, Jiankang Yao

Scribe: Bert Greevenbosch







Chat Log:




Note well reviewed
Logistics reviewed
Agenda bashed

Paul Hoffman:
Question: Should it be a service discovery protocol? Group is requested
  to consider.
Question: Is there a way to securely negotiate usage of this secure
Remark: We should do this in a separate working group
Question: Conflict with W3C security policy? Need to coordinate making
  sure there are not many different formats.
Remark: Requirements in APPAREA is OK, but we need experts. New working
  group or current DNS based working group?
Maybe it can be built on top of DNSsec.
Question: Does it require something we already have? Maybe UNAPTR. Don't
  focus on new protocol, but see if needed, and if so, which technology
  can be re-used.
Show of hands on the following:
* Who thinks we should not do it?
  (small support)
* Who thinks we should do it in a separate working group?
  (medium support)
* Who thinks we should do it in apparea?
  (small support)
* Who thinks we don't know enough yet?
  (highest support)

Patrik Faltstrom:
Unicode and IDNA
Remark: Seems network issue, should be in lower layer.

Mark Nottingham:
Question: HTTPS could also allow this?
More discussion needed.

Murray S. Kucherawy:
Several problems could arise when browsers/mail readers give some leeway
  to malformed messages. There are security issues involved. IETF should
  consider these and give some guidance.
Question: Separate WG or in APPSAWG? Individual draft?

Question: Connection to SpamRep in OMA?
YAM WG is going to recharter. Right place could become YAM.
Wait until YAM recharters. If doesn't, then APPSAWG makes sense.

More discussion is needed, and a side meeting on Wednesday morning
  8:00 – 9:00 is planned.

Eliot Lear:
IANA Procedures for Maintaining the Timezone Database
Volunteers are needed to provide feedback on the document.

Eric Rescorla:
Bar BoF about cryptography 20:00 in Karlin I.
Question: Is there a need for a http-URI or is https-URI enough?

Bernie Höneisen:
IANA Registration of Enumservices for Internet Calendaring
Session chair: Look for experts on calendaring (small group) first.
Question: Why shut down ENUM and not work on that there?
Answer: Leadership wants wg to be shut down.

Alexey Melnikov:
Remark: Threat analysis is needed.
Discussion on mailing list.

Florian Echtler:
Question: Is this related to W3C web-actions?
Answer: Yes, it is.
Remark: Transmitting the format could be work for another
Close relationship to eventing and API. Chris and Mark should look
  for a suitable WG.

Dave Crocker
Remark: Semantics need thorough considerations, as they cannot be
  changed after implementation.
Question: Where is the work to be done?
Answer: Not looking for a working group, but for people that are
  interested. If the interest is there, we can have a look at the

Chris Lilley
More discussion needed.

Bhumip Khasnabish
Virtual Desktop Infrastructure
List of possible work items
Remark: Proposal in OMA also to set-up virtual experience work item.
Next discussions from AD? Work of IETF? Is it a protocol or an API?
Need to discuss with ADs.