Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison

Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Wed, 28 January 2015 08:20 UTC

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:20:32 +0000
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From: Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison
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Going all meta for a moment...

On 27 Jan 2015 23:01, "Mark Nottingham" <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
> I'd far prefer that appsawg were shut down and replaced by "mail" and
"Web" WGs, the latter taking responsibility for URIs. They'd fight over
format stuff, but that mirrors real life...

Some of the most interesting discussions have arisen because the audience
here is broad enough to observe the uses of URIs outside the traditional
web space (ie, HTML). At the risk of sounding a little high and mighty, the
web world has a lot to learn from the more conservative mail world about
stability and compatibility - and the reverse is undoubtedly true as well.

Still, things like DMARC show that the mail world can be screwed over by a
few big players just as badly. Luckily those players have self censored
themselves from discussions...

In any case, unless this list were shockingly busy, I'd rather not hive off
discussions into groupthink collectives. Dissension is a fine product of
diversity.

Dave.