Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME types (and URI schemes)
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Mon, 14 November 2011 23:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME types (and URI schemes)
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> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> wrote: > >> >> * DO NOT try to avoid duplicates > >> > > >> > I'm not sure this makes sense. I think it would make sense if it read "give > >> > up on trying to avoid duplicates at all cost". But it almost reads like > >> > "let's have many duplicates, this will be fun". > > > >> I think we should discourage collisions, but the very existence of the > >> registry does that. If a collision arose from registry avoidance, and > >> implementations have been deployed widely, then what more can we do > >> but accept it? > > > > Agreed, but in practice it doesn't seem like outright collisions have > > been much of an issue. > I think what Roy F. is saying is that the cost of registration has to > come down a lot. And what I'm saying is that the current cost is, Roy's beliefs to the contrary notwithstanding, quite low - as in answer a half dozen questions on a web form low. And we've been actively pursuing various tweaks to move the bar even lower. Furthermore, the proposed alternative of allowing a sort of free-for-all where random folks can register and comment on stuff willy-nilly, is actually pretty much the process we already have for media type comments. Except here's the funny thing: Despite the current ready availability of the process that's supposed to cure all our ills, essentially nobody ever uses it. > If collisions are a problem at all they must be a > relatively small problem, and you (and Roy F.) claim that collisions > are of little consequence, in which case we can lower the cost of > registration still more. This assumes that currently there's significant cost associated with collision checks. I can't speak to other registries, but I can assure you the amount of time spent on this in the case of media types is truly negligable. Ned
- [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME types (… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Nathaniel Borenstein
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Ned Freed
- [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party registrati… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] A modest proposal for MIME typ… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Encouraging third party regist… Ned Freed