Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor - what is a URI?
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor - what is a URI?
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+1 BOF at next IETF, whether or not it leads to a working group.
Proposed Agenda: walk through draft-ruby-url-problem (I volunteer)
based on that, discuss next steps.
If a working group is wanted, proposed charter milestone:
* finish draft-ruby-url-problem (problem statement agreed or controversies identified, proposed plans concrete or have concrete options), publish as RFC.
* Then recharter or close (within 4 months)
If you agree, it would help focus the discussion if comments were couched in terms of changes to draft-ruby-url-problem.
For example, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ruby-url-problem-01#section-5.2 does note some kinds of things an update to 3986 might accomplish, but doesn't suggest changing fragment identifier repertoire, as Sam suggested in email.
If you want a mailing list other than appswg, either a new one or an old one; of the existing mailing lists, I suggest uri@w3.org is the closest in scope.
I'm in favor of chartering and managing the work in IETF and not in W3C based on where the specs would get adequate review.
* URIs/URLs, although invented for the web, are now woven into many other IETF protocols and data structures than the web, and those are mainly out of scope for W3C/WHATWG priorities.
* it seems easier to get broader review in IETF. I say this despite the past failure to get W3C/WHATWG participation in the IRI working group, because we now have real data about browser behavior and the new possibility of getting browser participation in the discussion.
Commitments of participation (from W3C management, URL implementors) would help.
- [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification … Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-kerwin… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor - w… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope of R… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Martin J. Dürst
- [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]Rx-li… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Henry S. Thompson
- [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison David Singer
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison James M Snell
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-comp… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragment … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Matthew Kerwin
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Parsing text into URLs that do… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… David Singer
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- [apps-discuss] Filesystem I18N, again (Re: Fwd: F… Nico Williams
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo handli… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is correc… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Sean Leonard
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- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Stephen Farrell
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- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… John Cowan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Doug Royer
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin