[aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic
Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> Fri, 24 March 2017 00:01 UTC
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From: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>
To: "Rong Pan (ropan)" <ropan@cisco.com>, Greg White <g.white@CableLabs.com>, FredBaker.IETF@gmail.com, prenatar@cisco.com
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Subject: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic
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Rong, Preethi, Greg, Fred, and others involved in PIE, You may recall that when we wrote PI2 we didn't include any of PIE's heuristics. Mostly because PI2 solved the issues they addressed intrinsically. But we left some until we had checked their benefit, which is what I'm doing now... My first question is about this heuristic in PIE: //Safeguard PIE to be work conserving if ( (PIE->qdelay_old_ < QDELAY_REF/2 && PIE->drop_prob_ < 0.2) || (queue_.byte_length() <= 2 * MEAN_PKTSIZE) ) { return ENQUE; } If it tests true, this block doesn't stop the calculation of drop_prob_ evolving, but it disables it being able to lead to any random packet drop. I can understand why you want to disable packet drop when the queue is no more than 2 packets. My question is about the first half of the logical OR. The drop_prob_ < 20% test will be true under normal non-overloaded conditions. So I have just realized that the qdelay_old_ < QDELAY_REF/2 test will turn off random drop very often. I would expect this to radically impact the behaviour of PIE. It seems to be overriding the PI controller as if you are thinking "actually we don't really trust the PI controller to leave it to do its thing, so we've overridden it a lot of the time." For instance, whenever a single long-running TCP flow with RTT about the same as the target delay is saw-toothing, this test will disable random drop completely during the lower half of every saw-tooth in the queue. Maybe that's OK, but... Without this test, the PI controller should reduce drop probability as the queue sawtooths down anyway. If another flow causes the queue to rise rapidly while it is under half the target, the PI controller is designed to detect such an increase and translate it into drop. But this heuristic suppresses any drop until the queue has exceeded half the target. So my questions are: Q1. What were the reasons for introducing such a frequent suppression of the PI algorithm (the RFC just says what this code does, not why)? Q2. Why use qdelay_old_ in the test? This seems to drive suppression of drop using stale state. Q3. Having said that it looks like this heuristic will significantly alter PIE's behaviour, in tests under a very wide range of traffic conditions, link rates, mixed RTTs, traffic models etc, we have found that removing the heuristics makes no measurable difference to PIE's performance. So if you added this heuristic for a specific scenario, please describe it, so we can test for it. Cheers Bob -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoehttp://bobbriscoe.net/
- [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Jonathan Morton
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Fred Baker
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Jonathan Morton
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Luca Muscariello
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Lautenschlaeger, Wolfram (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Jonathan Morton
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Michael Menth
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic Dave Dolson
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Michael Menth
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic - moving… Bob Briscoe