Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Tue, 28 March 2017 11:46 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [aqm] Questioning each PIE heuristic
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> On 28 Mar, 2017, at 14:39, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm not convinced I understand the definitions of "work conserving" and "non work conserving" in this context. A "work conserving" scheduling algorithm keeps an interface transmitting as long as there is data in the queue, while a non-work-conserving algorithm reduces the effective rate of the interface by spacing packets out.

In which case the explanation makes even less sense, as PIE doesn’t include a shaper.

 - Jonathan Morton