Re: [aqm] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy debate on packet loss in nanog
Jim Gettys <jg@freedesktop.org> Mon, 02 March 2015 01:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [aqm] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy debate on packet loss in nanog
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > But until the silicon vendors update _their_ forks of OpenWRT, > commercially available home routers won't have these benefits. Because the > home router market is dominated by packaged reference designs from one of a > very small number of companies that actually make all the chipsets (Dave, I > know you know this, I'm mostly just choir-preaching myself). > I was talking to one of the major chipset vendors just this last Thursday. We have to fork-lift upgrade all of these devices, ASAP. And change how we build/maintain these systems, and do business in embedded systems. See my Berkman Center talk here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/06/gettys We'll be struggling with the policies issues the rest of our lives (which is why I presented to the Berkman Center). Also read Dan Geer's policy piece in Lawfare the Lawfare blog. http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/04/heartbleed-as-metaphor/ Bruce Schneier's piece in Wired on the IOT is also very good, but aimed at a mass audience. I will be publishing and updated version of the talk very soon; the situation is yet more perilous since June, and my explanations clearer. Jim > -Aaron > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There's nothing new here, but it was a nice rant to get out of my system: >> >> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog/128201 >> >> Of late, I have been taking a page from Linus Torvalds' playbook, in >> realizing that "on the internet, no-one can hear you being subtle", >> and BOY, am I done with that. >> >> -- >> Dave Täht >> Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >
- [aqm] Bufferbloat and the policy debate on packet… Dave Taht
- Re: [aqm] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy deba… Jim Gettys
- Re: [aqm] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy deba… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [aqm] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy deba… Aaron Wood
- Re: [aqm] [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat and the pol… dpreed