Re: [aqm] updated draft charter

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Ros
<David.Ros@telecom-bretagne.eu>wrote:

>
> On 11 juil. 2013, at 18:06, gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote:
>
> >
> > I agreed that AQM has to some extent already been deployed in some places
> > and this could be confusing to then redefine or obsolete this.
> >
>
> +1
>
>
> > For what it's worth I don't like "smart" queueing as a name - implying
> > it's sounds like a marketing term rather than a combination of "AQM"
> > mark/drop and flow scheduling.
>
> +1
>
>
> >
> > If SQM was short for  scheduling and queue management I may have liked
> the
> > abbreviation more, ... let's see where this discussion ends.
>

Scheduling and Queue Management is fine with me...

>
> Since we're looking for acronyms that (a) are pronounceable, (b) do not
> sound like a marketing gimmick, (c) match to a WG name that conveys the
> essence of what the WG will do, then why not simply: QMAPS? (Queue
> Management And Packet Scheduling).
>

I'm not willing to bikeshed working group names and will live with whatever
people like.  I'm certainly not great at selecting names, having bound the
free variable with a window system name.

Names can be important: one of the problems with the "RED" algorithm,
whose initial formation was, IIRC, "Random Early Discard".  The name's
connotation implied it "randomly" discarded your packets and does so sooner
rather than later; not what most network operators want to hear. Kathie and
Van named CoDel both because "Constant Delay" describes its intended
behavior, but also because "coddling" your packets sounds warm and fuzzy,
rather than nasty and random. The great unwashed fail to understand that
packet drops can be good for their network's health...

I will not reply further to this thread.
                                           - Jim

> David
>
>
> >
> > Gorry
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think the attached updated draft charter reflects most of the
> >>> feedback that we've heard so far.
> >>>
> >>> Note that Dave Taht suggested we might want to go with something
> >>> like "Smarter Queue Management" (SQM) for the WG name, because
> >>> purely AQM as a name may not capture FQ type of mechanisms that we
> >>> may want to have in-scope.  I think that scoping discussion may
> >>> still be going on into Berlin, but it's a good point, and likely
> >>> some other people have cute ideas for a name that could capture
> >>> the potential broader scope.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Both Dave's and my experience as relative newcomers to this area is that
> >> the term AQM is pretty tightly bound to mark/drop algorithms in the
> minds
> >> of many people in the IETF, who also categorize other algorithms as
> >> queuing
> >> algorithms. and make a pretty strong mental distinction between them.
> >>
> >> As my blog post this week
> >>
> http://gettys.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/low-latency-requires-smart-queuing-traditional-aqm-is-not-enough/#more-1091argues
> ,
> >> the killer combination is a cross between rapidly autotuning
> >> mark/drop algorithms with what we're calling flow queueing (since it
> isn't
> >> "fair" in the also traditional sense of TCP fair queueing at all, and
> may
> >> not involve TCP flows necessarily either).
> >>
> >> So while I'd be happy to lump this all into the AQM name bucket
> >> personally,
> >> I do think that a name that makes clear we're considering algorithms
> that
> >> may marry both lines of intellectual thought together will avoid
> confusion
> >> among many who have worked in one area or the other, but not both.
>  "Smart
> >> queue management" or SQM is the best we've come up with for a term.
> >>                                                               - Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> Wes Eddy
> >>> MTI Systems
> >>>
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