Re: [arch-d] Network Architecture in the Internet Society
Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Fri, 31 January 2020 06:26 UTC
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From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 13:26:32 +0700
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Network Architecture in the Internet Society
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Dear Russ & architecture-discuss, I have just added Leva. T & H. Suommi's "Framework of Analyzing Feasibility of Internet Protocols" to the before-mentioned list of readings by "Add Comment" Facility in the OPEN FORUM Community Library: ### To the list of readings above (Consolidation of the Internet: from the Socio-Economic to the Architectural) may I add "Framework of Analyzing Feasibility of Internet Potocols" (Leva, T. & H. Suommi, the IAB Workshop on Internet Technology Adootion and Transition 2013) which was ever to be part of architecture-discuss@ietf.org "Centralization or diversity?" January 22th 2020: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/sdTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U ### Note: To clarify what I said in the previous message: I mean the architecture-discuss@ietf.org and the OPEN FORUM Community Library may be about a networked community of reading, a networked library. Regard, Guntur Wiseno Putra Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> menulis: > Dear Russ and architecture-discuss, > > The post in OPEN Forum Community Library is about those document saved in > the architecture-discuss mailarchive I mentioned above plus > > Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and > the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00 > > While, I have not included yet that of T. Leva and H. Suommi's... > > I emphasized on socio-economic and architectural learnings attempted by > those documents there--while the post at architecture-discuss emphazised on > feasibility of the Internet architecture in relation with aesthetic and > ethic experiences. > > This is what I saved in OPEN FORUM Community Library: > > "Consolidation of the Internet: From the Socio-Economic to the > Architectural" > > This documents refer to "Consolidation in the Internet" which is of > economic and architectural approaches and perspectives: > > - ISOC Global Internet Report Consolidation in the Internet Economy > https://future.internetsociety.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/ > 04/InternetSociety-GlobalInternetReport-ConsolidationintheInternetEcon > omy.pdf > - Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and > the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00 > - Sullivan, Andrew, "Three Kinds of Concentration in Open Protocols", > IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019 https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/ > p7-sulllivan-three_kinds_concentration_ajs_dedr.pdf > - Arkko, Jarri, "Centralized Architecture in Internet Architecture", > Internet Draft, 2019 > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-arkko-arch-infrastructure- > centralisation-00.txt > Kutscher, Dirk, "Protocol Design and Socio-economic Realities", in the > IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019 > https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/ > p14-kutscher-internet-design-kutscher.pdf > > > Note: This post is related with another one in this "Open Forum": > Restream: Internet Consolidation: What Lies beneath the Application > Layer..." (December 14th 2019) https://connect.internetsociety.org/ > communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?GroupId=67&MessageKey= > 426220c6-e41e-45c8-8872-7f0cc455f492&CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f- > ecec4ffe56dd&tab=digestviewer&ReturnUrl=%2fcommunities%2fcommunity-home% > 2fdigestviewer%3fCommunityKey%3d3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd > > > > > > > > > Regard, > Guntur Wiseno Putra > > Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> > menulis: > >> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss, >> >> >> I am new there, I have not know muc "how to": I think one needs to create >> an account in the Internet Society to join with OPEN FORUM Community to >> access its features: >> >> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/ >> >> >> But at this architecture-discuss, where we are now, one may simply access >> its mail archives for the documents on "Consolidation of the Internet" --so >> it is nothing new but such a networked community of reading, such a >> networked library: >> >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/s >> dTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U >> >> I find no search engine facility for documents at OPEN FORUM community >> Library while there is one at architecture-discuss mail archive. >> >> Regard, >> Guntur Wiseno Putra >> >> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> menulis: >> >>> Is there a way to see the document without creating an account? >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear architecture-discuss, >>> >>> Documents related with the current issues on "consolidation of the >>> Internet" saved in the "Open Forum" community of the Internet Society: >>> >>> >>> https://connect.internetsociety.org/viewdocument/consolidati >>> on-of-the-internet-from?CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f >>> -ecec4ffe56dd&tab=librarydocuments#ItemCommentPanel >>> >>> Regard, >>> Guntur Wiseno Putra >>> >>> >>>
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