Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services

[Lars Eggert <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

On 2020-4-9, at 15:19, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 12:14:04PM +0300, Lars Eggert wrote:
>> On 2020-4-8, at 22:41, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> When technologies are young, you just let engineers
>>> innovate and implement and when everything is done, you
>>> can go and fight for it to get standardized. When an
>>> industries becomes more mature and a lot more capital
>>> investment heavy, you need to revert this and SDOs
>>> need to play a lot more proactive role in defining
>>> next-gen solutions. See 3GPP. IETF is not doing this
>>> at the architecture scale. Only at small incremental
>>> enhancements.
>> 
>> if this is what you belief needs to happen, please do take this work to the ITU-T.
> 
> Just making sure i understand your statement correctly:
> 
> You only want for IAB and IETF to continue do only small
> incremental enhancements ?

You seem to think small, incremental enhancements are somehow a bad thing. We're disagreeing on that. We've managed to evolve the Internet and its architecture pretty well through a series of small, incremental enhancements at all layers. I don't see why continuing on this path is such a bad thing.

You seem to want to do some large-scale, monolithically-designed "v2" architecture thing. This is not what the IETF does. Hence, my suggestion is you try and do the work in a forum that likes to work that way, and see if you manage to get anyone to deploy the outcome in the end.

> Btw: I do not need to take any work to ITU-T or 3GPP.
> These SDOs will move forward with whatever they want to
> do without consulting IETF.

Great. I guess we can then stop this discussion on am IETF list.

Lars