Re: [arch-d] Adoption of draft-thomson-use-it-or-lose-it

Joe Touch <> Tue, 28 May 2019 17:01 UTC

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> On May 28, 2019, at 9:04 AM, John C Klensin <> wrote:
> While I applaud your, and the IAB's, efforts to try to sort
> these things out and provide guidance

I do not. IMO, the IAB has no privileged perspective other than a soapbox on which to pontificate and repeatedly proves so.

> I see some danger of the
> IAB, with this document and others, moving off in the direction
> of grand pronouncements that are disconnected with reality;
> comments that seem to imply that, if only the IAB's statements
> and procedures are followed, all will be well.

Agreed, e.g.: 

2.0 suggests that new protocol extensions are preferable to fixing bugs. 2.2 implies we accept hijacking and fails to recognize how (and arguably why) HTTPS has already supplanted HTTP.

The rest can be summarized by Berkeley’s question of whether a tree falling in a vacant forest makes a sound*.

Bugs are bugs. Design flaws are design flaws. Too much effort is spent ignorant of the difference, here and throughout the IETF.

That said, this doc should proceed, if only to highlight the value of IAB advice.


*if we’re going to be philosophical; but preferably, let’s not.