Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 17 December 2023 01:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content
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Hi Brian, At 02:41 PM 16-12-2023, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >That seems fairly clear to me. If open-source software does not allow, >or actively prevents, mandatory scanning it would be illegal to use it. https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/guides/guide-digital-services-act-for-online-intermediaries states that the law affects "platforms" with a monthly active recipients which is equal to 45 million or higher. If I am not mistaken, the other details (please see https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32022R2065&from=EN ) do not seem to target open-source software as such. >In general, it's clear that the argument against standardising in-host >scanning is almost identical to the argument against standardising >wiretapping (i.e. RFC 2804). However, it's not a protocol issue, so >the IETF would never standardise it anyway. Any scanning that happens >before material enters the host is already covered by RFC 2804. Whether >one agrees with the IAB or not (I do), IETF policy is already set. The topic reminds me of OPES instead of wiretapping. It sounds more like a matter for civil society. There are civil society organizations which do advocacy on such matters. Regards, S. Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… George Michaelson
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Christian Huitema
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Andrew Campling
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Andrew Campling
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Eliot Lear
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Eric Rescorla
- [arch-d] Off topic [was: IAB Statement on Encrypt… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Arnaud Taddei
- Re: [arch-d] Off topic [was: IAB Statement on Enc… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [EXTERNAL] Re: IAB Statement on Encr… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [arch-d] Off topic [was: IAB Statement on Enc… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [arch-d] Off topic [was: IAB Statement on Enc… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [arch-d] Off topic [was: IAB Statement on Enc… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… John Levine
- Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mand… Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] IAB Statement on Encryption an… Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)