Re: [arch-d] [Edm] New IAB Program: Evolvability, Deployability, & Maintainability (EDM)
Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Wed, 26 August 2020 06:11 UTC
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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Edm] New IAB Program: Evolvability, Deployability, & Maintainability (EDM)
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Tony, Do you have any constructive feedback about the program, or other work that we should focus on? Just calling it 'pointless' doesn't help. > On 26 Aug 2020, at 7:53 am, tony.li@tony.li wrote: > > > Seems like point 1 should be ignoring pointless IAB programs. > > There’s work to be done. This isn’t it. > > Tony > > >> On Aug 25, 2020, at 2:47 PM, IAB Executive Administrative Manager <execd@iab.org> wrote: >> >> A new IAB Program has been formed on Evolvability, Deployability, & >> Maintainability (EDM). For additional information, please contact the >> IAB or the Program Lead. >> >> Evolvability, Deployability, & Maintainability (EDM) Program >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> IAB Lead: >> Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> >> >> Mailing list: >> Address: edm@iab.org >> To subscribe: https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/edm >> Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/edm/ >> >> >> Program Page: https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/evolvability-deployability-maintainability-edm-program/ >> >> Program Description: >> >> This program will focus on how to practically encourage best practices >> within the IETF to ensure that the IETF’s standards process considers >> protocol evolution, deployability, and long-term maintainability. This >> group will work on documents that catalog and analyze successful >> strategies for protocol evolution, deployment, and maintenance, such as >> updating and extending RFC 6709. Moreover, it will focus on ways to help >> promote and increase awareness of these strategies within the IETF via >> program meetings, workshops, and helping organize efforts within working >> groups and various IETF teams. The program will include members of the >> IESG and the tools team to help implement these strategies. >> >> The topics this group will consider include: >> >> * Evolvability: Encourage protocols to design for extensibility and >> greasing, and promote the use of extension points to prevent >> ossification. Make it easy for people, especially those who aren’t >> steeped in IETF process, to know which extension points are the right >> ones to use for a given protocol (and which ones should be considered >> more stable/ossified), and make sure there aren’t high allocation >> barriers to use those extension points. >> >> * Deployability: Focus on how we make “running code” something that is >> better integrated into the working group process. Look at methods to >> catalog implementations, tools for tracking interoperability testing >> on different protocol versions, or repositories of which versions of >> protocols are implemented and used on the Internet. Discuss how >> deployments can advertise experiments they are running. >> >> * Maintainability: Many working groups have expressed a desire to have >> ways for the community of protocol designers and implementers to keep >> track of the current state of affairs in deployment patterns, known >> errata/bugs, or best practices. Help promote consistent ways to host >> non-RFC working group output, like FAQs, wikis, and discussion venues. >> Consider how this community involvement can continue and involve the >> right experts, even after a working group closes. >> >> The program will: >> >> * Engage with the IETF community and implementers outside of the IETF to >> identity successes and problem areas, and collect ideas for >> improvements. >> * Work with the IESG and directorates to determine how best practices >> for evolvability can best be applied during IESG review and IETF last >> call. >> * Work with the IESG and tools team on ways to connect implementers and >> communities that develop and maintain protocols, both while a working >> group is active, and after a working group has concluded its charter. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Architecture-discuss mailing list >> Architecture-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss > > -- > Edm mailing list > Edm@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/edm -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
- Re: [arch-d] [Edm] New IAB Program: Evolvability,… tony.li
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- Re: [arch-d] [Edm] New IAB Program: Evolvability,… Mark Nottingham