Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com> Sun, 29 December 2019 07:51 UTC

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From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>
To: Patrik Fältström <paf=40frobbit.se@dmarc.ietf.org>, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com>
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Correct Scott, but I was more thinking of the fact ITU-T results might bind the members (the member States) by treaties, which implies the members do not have any choice but implement the outcomes. Just like ICANN outcomes are binding for the contracted parties in many cases.

No, almost all ITU-T results are called "Recommendations" because they are precisely that.
They do not bind members unless the member adopts them into its own national legislation.

Y(J)S