Re: [arch-d] IANA program redefinition

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Sat, 13 February 2021 10:35 UTC

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:34:49 +1100
From: "Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] IANA program redefinition
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Hi Jari,

I see a lot of people who are nominally chairs of their respective groups here.  Did those involved discuss appointing a delegate other than the (likely already busy) chair of the organization?  We tried really hard not to have the chair do everything a few years ago, but I'm seeing a return to that recently (not just the IAB, but the IESG also in this case).  Maybe that's just circumstance.  Wanted to check.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, at 02:46, Jari Arkko wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You may be aware that the IAB has been redefining its program structure 
> [1]. You may also be aware that we have a small, sleepy program for 
> helping the IAB deal with big strategic issues on IANA [2]. We also 
> have an informal team of IANA and IETF people that discuss periodically 
> to discuss statistics, and provide suggestions on various improvements 
> or issues. Fortunately, there hasn't been any recent need to invoke the 
> program. There hasn't really been any strategic issues after the 
> transition was done and the one NTIA notice of inquiry was answered in 
> 2018 [3]. Equally fortunately, the IANA process keeps running extremely 
> smoothly, so the informal team has mostly been happy confirming that 
> things are good, as well working on some improvements, discussing 
> operational or technical topics that have arisen, etc. Neither group 
> has any formal role, e.g., all decisions and contracts are taken by the 
> relevant  formal entities, such as the LLC, Trust, IAB, and PTI. PTI is 
> the ICANN-affiliated organisation that runs the IANA Functions service 
> [4].
> 
> Anyway, back to the IAB's effort on redefining its program structure. 
> What were previously called programs are now either Technical Programs 
> or Administrative Support Groups. In addition, the restructuring is an 
> opportunity to review existing programs and update/close/recreate them 
> as needed. With this in mind, Mirja had asked us to evaluate the 
> structure. It hasn't been crystal clear what different groups we have, 
> the need for the strategic assistance is very different than it was 
> when the transition was going on, and various people changes have also 
> happened.
> 
> Russ, Michelle, me, the IETF-IANA team, and the program and the IAB 
> have discussed this, and thought that it would make sense to update the 
> charter, and to consolidate the program and the team in one group. 
> Please see the proposed charter below.
> 
> Thoughts? If you have comments, please respond by Feb 23rd so that we 
> can process the matter on the IAB call on the 24th.
> 
> Jari (on behalf of the program & IAB)
> 
> ——
> 
> IETF-IANA Group
> 
> Purpose
> 
> The background for the IETF-IANA group are the IANA functions for the
> Internet and the IETF, as specified in the IANA MoU (RFC2860) and
> related agreements between stakeholders. At the IETF, the formal
> responsibility for the relationship lies in four entities:
> 
> * The IAB that is tasked with IANA oversight
> * The LLC that is tasked with managing the contracts
> * The IETF Trust that holds the rights for related domains and trademarks
> * The CCG, which provides advice and guidance to the IETF Trust
>    
> Today, the IANA functions are provided by Public Technical Identifiers
> (PTI), a purpose-built organization for providing the IANA functions
> to the community. PTI is an affiliate of ICANN.
> 
> The IETF-IANA group organizes regular meetings to provide advice,
> primarily to the IAB and PTI. The group has participants from both
> IETF and PTI sides. The group is expected to review the publicly
> available IANA performance statistics, discuss specific issues that
> have come up in the protocol parameter service, provide input on
> proposed yearly updates to the IANA Functions SLA, or any other
> similar topics.
> 
> However, the group is not responsible for daily operational
> guidance, and does not have any formal role in contracts relating to
> the IANA functions. The advice that it provides is input to the
> relevant entities that perform IANA functions (PTI) or provide
> oversight (the IAB), but may indirectly be useful also for those in
> charge of contract management on either side.
> 
> The group co-leads will review and update membership yearly
> together with the IAB.
> 
> Results and References
> 
>   * RFC 2860: IANA MoU
>   * RFC 6220: Defining the Role and Function of IETF Protocol Parameter 
> Registry Operator
>   * RFC 7500: Principles for Operation of Internet Assigned Numbers 
> Authority (IANA) Registries 
>   * RFC 8090: Appointment Procedures for the IETF Representatives to 
> the Community Coordination Group (CCG) 
>   * IETF Trust agreement on IANA 
>   * ICANN-IETF Service Level Agreements
>   * Information on IANA performance
> 
> Members
> 
>   * Michelle Cotton (Group co-Lead & PTI Protocol Parameters Engagement 
> Sr. Manager)
>   * Russ Housley (Group co-Lead)
>   * Jari Arkko  (IAB Lead)
>   * Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
>   * Lars Eggert (IETF Chair)
>   * Jay Daley (LLC Executive Director) 
>   * Kim Davies (PTI President) 
>   * Harald Alvestrand (IETF-ICANN board liaison)
>   (* Other members may be added based on an ongoing check of their 
> availability)
> 
> ——
> 
> References
> 
> [1] 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/mkD3eWYS0ECn44RrABS-gwvrbOY/ [ietf.org]
> [2 ]https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/iana-program [www.iab.org]
> [3] 
> https://www.iab.org/2018/07/16/iab-responds-to-ntia-notice-of-inquiry-on-international-internet-policy-priorities/ [iab.org]
> [4] https://pti.icann.org/ [pti.icann.org]
> 
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