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To: 'Martin Thomson' <mt@lowentropy.net>, "'Joel M. Halpern'" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, 'Eric Rescorla' <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [IAB] I-D Action: draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-08.txt
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> I agree with Joel here.  A lot of this comes down to circumstances.  RFC 7606
> shows how BGP does it and there are almost as many different rules as there
> are TLVs.

And the BGP code has become so complex and large that it's almost not maintainable at this point ... When you have a single protocol which requires 250k+ lines of code to implement, we might have driven "extensibility" a bit too far.

😊 /r

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