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Rajesh Puranik <rajpuranik1@gmail.com> Mon, 16 December 2019 14:26 UTC

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>       draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt (Guntur Wiseno Putra)
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> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 07:22:27 -0800
> From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
> To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, architecture-discuss@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for
>         draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
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> Hi Mark,
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> There is the following in Section 3: "The IETF has focused on user
> needs since [RFC0001] ..."  That is like stating that the IETF has
> focused on user needs since 1969.  How could that be possible if the
> first IETF meeting was held in 1986?
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> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
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> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:35:23 +0700
> From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
> Cc: "architecture-discuss@ietf.org" <architecture-discuss@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-d] Fwd: New Version Notification for
>         draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
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> Dear Mark and architecture-discuss,
>
> I missed to put you Mark Nottingham on the addrese as I sent a message to
> architecture-discuss and others December 13th: it is about "focused-user
> system", "positive user outcomes" and "creative impulses of users' and
> architects' for evolutions". If it was inspiring...
>
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Senin, 18 November 2019, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> menulis:
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> > FYI; a fairly substantial update, based upon feedback. More feedback very
> > welcome.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > *Subject: **New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt*
> > *Date: *18 November 2019 at 8:43:38 am GMT+8
> > *To: *"Mark Nottingham" <mnot@mnot.net>
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the
> > IETF repository.
> >
> > Name: draft-iab-for-the-users
> > Revision: 01
> > Title: The Internet is for End Users
> > Document date: 2019-11-18
> > Group: iab
> > Pages: 11
> > URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-
> > for-the-users-01..txt
> > <https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt>
> > Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-for-the-users/
> > Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-for-the-users-01
> > Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-
> > for-the-users
> > Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-iab-
> > for-the-users-01
> >
> > Abstract:
> >   This document explains why the IAB believes the IETF should consider
> >   end users as its highest priority concern, and how that can be done.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
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> > The IETF Secretariat
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> > --
> > Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
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> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:10:39 +0700
> From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
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> Dear S Moonesamy, Mark
> & architecture-discuss,
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> Then should we say: "RFC 0001 is one of the historical references (or
> guidances) used by IETF in considering user needs" or any other way more or
> less similar...?
>
> Regard,
>
> Pada Sabtu, 14 Desember 2019, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> menulis:
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> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > There is the following in Section 3: "The IETF has focused on user needs
> > since [RFC0001] ..."  That is like stating that the IETF has focused on
> > user needs since 1969.  How could that be possible if the first IETF
> > meeting was held in 1986?
> >
> > Regards,
> > S. Moonesamy
> >
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