Re: [arch-d] Possible new IAB program on Internet trust model evolution

Guntur Wiseno Putra <> Thu, 30 January 2020 07:11 UTC

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:11:23 +0700
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Dear architecture-discuss,

To add the note I made in the previous message:

An Individual/person, by network society with ICTs as a structural matrix,
is a momentous synthesis, or a conflict domain --there may be still existed
conflicts accompanying her/his choices of acts--, of networks of
things/languages with/for/to/among which s/he celebrates/affirmes her/his

I am referring to notions on "Network Society" and "Networks of Languages"
worked in:

- "Informationalism, Technology and Network Society" (Manuel Catells)

- here, it may deserve to note that in its forweword to "Leveraging
Tech..." report Antonio Gueterez beginned with the term "networked society"

"Our networked society is changing the way we live. The impact and
of the digital revolution are becoming more evident with each passing hour.

The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development recognizes the great potential
of global connectivity to spur human progress. It challenges us to ensure
universal and affordable Internet access for all".

- J. F. Lyotard, "The Postmodern Conditions: a Report on Knowledge" section
"Elementary Nature of Social Ties: Posmodern Perspective" as there was
mentioned about society defined by "networks of language"

Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Kamis, 30 Januari 2020, Eliot Lear <> menulis:

> Hi Robin
> > On 29 Jan 2020, at 22:17, Robin Wilton <> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, both. As I read your comments, one phrase kept presenting itself
> to me...
> > “user agency”. What is it, in the system, that is giving effect to the
> user’s intention and preferences.
> Good point.
> I was going to write out an example of how this would play out, but I am
> beginning to wonder if an I-D would do better, so as to memorialize a bit
> better the discussion.  This assumes it’s where the IAB wants to go.
> Eliot
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