Re: [arch-d] [I18n-discuss] Closing the list

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 13 May 2020 19:55 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [I18n-discuss] Closing the list
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 02:20:51PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> > On May 13, 2020, at 2:13 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> > [...]

+1

> (No hat)
> 
> I understand your concern and will ask this list not be touched given
> your response.  [...]
> 
> It would be good to hear this from others as well.  I will let you
> know that the list required manual intervention for my subscription to
> go through so I could post, so if the list is intended to be active,
> we should also look to understand why and correct that behavior if
> this is the best venue to discuss internationalization issues with the
> IAB as well as the broader community.
> 
> (I’ll find the details of that and at least let you know in private).

The note about the list closing, without a reason being given, was a bit
jarring.  Anyways, we do need a list.  It could be as simple as creating
a new one @ietf.org if we really don't want this one @iab.org.

Nico
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