Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 14 October 2020 19:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?
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Andrew,

On 14-Oct-20 23:41, Andrew Campling wrote:
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>  In addition, I challenge the presumption that the IETF is the only body able to make such a determination about these matters and that it can and should do so without undertaking full consultation with other stakeholders.

I for one make no such presumption. But we have never made that claim. The claim we've made is that we know how to make *our* protocols secure against inspection or forgery by 3rd parties, and that it's our job to do so.

When we try to go wider than that, we fail. I am not very sympathetic to "a true multi-stakeholder consultation process as suggested by the IAB’s RFC 8890". The IETF is not in any way a suitable vehicle for that kind of process, as anyway who remembers WGIG/WSIS is well aware.

Regards
    Brian