Re: [arch-d] Network Architecture in the Internet Society

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Mon, 24 February 2020 07:09 UTC

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From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:09:37 +0700
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Dear architecture-discuss,

By opening files at www.ietfjournal.org I finded this out: Among others
this is one worked on by the IETF publication on "architecture" which
mentioned also about "architecture-discuss" in the time of its beginning
--I then made it part of the entry on "Consolidation of the Internet..." at
the Internet Society's Open Forum Library:

NETWORKING RESEARCHReflections on
<https://www.ietfjournal.org/contributing_authors/pekka-nikander/>
ArchitectureBy: Pekka Nikander
<https://www.ietfjournal.org/contributing_authors/pekka-nikander/>Date:
December 2005


"I happen to have an architect’s mind. Looking at the network of today, I
strongly feel the pain of the current architecture’s cracking and
squeaking. Consequently, I believe that we – the wider IETF community
responsible for Internet technology – need to re-think the architecture. We
need to find a way to re-create the core of the Internet in a way that
leads to a new era of innovation and intellectual prosperity. The highlight
of my IETF64 meeting in Vancouver was that I started to see signs of
interest and activity in the broader community to pursue such a goal.

...

The IAB has recently created a new mailing list, architecture-discuss [15],
for wider discussion of architectural issues, which I hope will develop
into a valuable forum over time. I hope to see you there".

https://www.ietfjournal.org/reflections-on-architecture





Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
menulis:

> Dear Russ & architecture-discuss,
>
>
> I have just added Leva. T & H. Suommi's "Framework of Analyzing
> Feasibility of Internet Protocols" to the before-mentioned list of readings
> by "Add Comment" Facility in the OPEN FORUM Community Library:
>
>
> ###
> To the list of readings above (Consolidation of the Internet: from the
> Socio-Economic to the Architectural) may I add "Framework of Analyzing
> Feasibility of Internet Potocols" (Leva, T. & H. Suommi, the IAB Workshop
> on Internet Technology Adootion and Transition 2013) which was ever to be
> part of architecture-discuss@ietf.org "Centralization or diversity?"
> January 22th 2020:
>
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/
> sdTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U
>
>
> ###
>
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> Note:
> To clarify what I said in the previous message:
> I mean the architecture-discuss@ietf.org and the OPEN FORUM Community
> Library may be about a networked community of reading, a networked library.
>
>
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>
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> menulis:
>
>> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,
>>
>> The post  in OPEN Forum Community Library is about those document saved
>> in the architecture-discuss mailarchive I mentioned above plus
>>
>>  Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and
>> the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00
>>
>> While, I have not included yet that of T. Leva and H. Suommi's...
>>
>> I emphasized on socio-economic and architectural learnings attempted by
>> those documents there--while the post at architecture-discuss emphazised on
>> feasibility of the Internet architecture in relation with aesthetic and
>> ethic experiences.
>>
>> This is what I saved in OPEN FORUM Community Library:
>>
>> "Consolidation of the Internet: From the Socio-Economic to the
>> Architectural"
>>
>> This documents refer to "Consolidation in the Internet" which is of
>> economic and architectural approaches and perspectives:
>>
>> - ISOC Global Internet Report Consolidation in the Internet Economy
>> https://future.internetsociety.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/
>> sites/2/2019/04/InternetSociety-GlobalInternet
>> Report-ConsolidationintheInternetEconomy.pdf
>> - Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and
>> the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00
>> - Sullivan, Andrew, "Three Kinds of Concentration in Open Protocols",
>> IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019 https://www.iab.org/wp-content
>> /IAB-uploads/2019/05/p7-sulllivan-three_kinds_concentration_ajs_dedr.pdf
>> - Arkko, Jarri, "Centralized Architecture in Internet Architecture",
>> Internet Draft, 2019
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-arkko-arch-infrastructure-cent
>> ralisation-00.txt
>> Kutscher, Dirk, "Protocol Design and Socio-economic Realities", in the
>> IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019
>> https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/p14-
>> kutscher-internet-design-kutscher.pdf
>>
>>
>> Note: This post is related with another one in this "Open Forum":
>> Restream: Internet Consolidation: What Lies beneath the Application
>> Layer..." (December 14th 2019) https://connect.internetsociet
>> y.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?G
>> roupId=67&MessageKey=426220c6-e41e-45c8-8872-7f0cc455f492&
>> CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd&tab=
>> digestviewer&ReturnUrl=%2fcommunities%2fcommunity-home%2fdigestviewer%
>> 3fCommunityKey%3d3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd
>>
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>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am new there, I have not know muc "how to": I think one needs to
>>> create an account in the Internet Society to join with OPEN FORUM Community
>>> to access its features:
>>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/
>>>
>>>
>>> But at this architecture-discuss, where we are now, one may simply
>>> access its mail archives for the documents on "Consolidation of the
>>> Internet" --so it is nothing new but such a networked community of reading,
>>> such a networked library:
>>>
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/s
>>> dTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U
>>>
>>> I find no search engine facility for documents at OPEN FORUM community
>>> Library while there is one at architecture-discuss mail archive.
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Is there a way to see the document without creating an account?
>>>>
>>>> Russ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear architecture-discuss,
>>>>
>>>> Documents related with the current issues on "consolidation of the
>>>> Internet" saved in the "Open Forum" community of the Internet Society:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://connect.internetsociety.org/viewdocument/consolidati
>>>> on-of-the-internet-from?CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f
>>>> -ecec4ffe56dd&tab=librarydocuments#ItemCommentPanel
>>>>
>>>> Regard,
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>