Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-for-the-users-02> (The Internet is for End Users)

Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Thu, 06 February 2020 14:50 UTC

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From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:50:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-for-the-users-02> (The Internet is for End Users)
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> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, put simply, I think that declaring that the user's interest takes precedence over everything else is wrong.  You or the IAB as a whole are of course free to come to different conclusions, but I think it is actually very helpful to view it as a tussle with a veriety of itnerests that need to be respected.

I would agree with your assertion that the internet is a multiple stakeholder environment.  Saying something is for the end-users when it’s a technology that is used by many people to build both public and private networks (which) could be a bold statement for those of us who operate large (private) networks.

- Jared

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Re: [arch-d] [Last-Call] Call for Comment: <draft… Rene Struik
Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-f… Martin Thomson
Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-f… Joel Halpern Direct
Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-f… Jared Mauch
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