Re: [arch-d] Updates on IAB mailing lists

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 20 April 2020 22:47 UTC

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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Updates on IAB mailing lists
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Carsten,

I was just about to ask the same question and make the same
point.  As far as I know, there are no other lists in the IETF
community available for discussions of, or raising questions
about, general i18n questions.  The closest approximation I know
of is the ART Area i18n Directorate list and I don't believe
that is an open list.  If the IAB wants to be rid of this one
--perhaps consistent with shutting the Program down-- then may I
suggest they work with the IESG as needed to get a non-WG list,
ideally of the same name, set up?

thanks,
   john


--On Monday, April 20, 2020 22:30 +0200 Carsten Bormann
<cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On 2020-04-20, at 21:37, Mirja Kuehlewind
> <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The lists we propose to close didn't have any traffic for a
>> long time and most of them have been used for discussion
>> related to an IAB workshop or IAB program that doesn't
>> exist anymore.
> 
> For i18n-discuss, there are occasional flares of activity, the
> last significant one 2018-12. This is not "for a long
> time".
> These flares reached exactly the right set of people.
> Is there a reasonable alternative that doesn't waste the
> time of hundreds of others?
> 
>> We plan to confirm on each of the list that they can be
>> closed.
> 
> OK, so I can shut up here now.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
> 
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