Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 28 April 2020 21:17 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"
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Thanks, Brian, inline

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:34:53AM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Hi Toerless,
> 
> On one point only:
> 
> >   internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org does not allow Global ISOC members to
> >   join by themselves, nor do i know if it would welcome discussion.
> >   In fact it is not even listed on the set of pubic ISOC mailing lists.
> >   So the nature of this mailing list seems to be secret to me.
> 
> You can join but not in the normal way... you have to go through a
> strange procedure in the Member's Portal or some such place, where I
> believe it's called a "Community" or some such. Can't remember, but it
> was very baroque.

Yes, i tried to exhaust my options in there, but got nowhere,
this includes going to 

https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/internetpolicy/

and attempting to join via that unpublished link.

I don't mind baroque as long as its published, but published information
is wrong, and the fact that the list is not included in the published
list of ISOC lists makes me wonder if the list lists that are only
accessible to ISOC members is even published anywhere...

I did send emails to support.

> I believe Andrew said that there is work underway to change this.

I did have a bit of discussion about the possibility of
a list like "internet-future@elists.isoc.orgc.org, but was told in PM
that getting new mailing lists on elists.isoc.org is a
process competing with continental drift in speed.

Something like such a list would be a great option IMHO for
the ISOC society to participate on not only in discussions about
internet history but also its future.

> However, I don't see any relevant discussion in the (members only)
> archive. Typical subjects recently:
> 
> on people not heard (was Re: Language reversion, and an idea)
> OneWeb bankruptcy
> Interview with Parminder on community ownership of data
> Official de-chartering of the Internet Society Ireland Chapter
> North-South issues in the Ditigal Economy
> European Commission solicits feedback on GDPR's efficiency
> Official de-chartering of the Internet Society Ireland Chapter

Given how seemingly non-published internetpolicy mailing list is,
i wonder who is even subscribed to it. Not sure if it is possible
to figure that out.  I very much liked Jay Daleys reconfirmation
that IETF mailing list membership is of public nature. Not sure
what ISOC's policy is.

Cheers
    Toerless

> Regards
>    Brian

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