[arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 28 April 2020 19:07 UTC

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Subject: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"
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Dear architecture-discuss, Olaf

I hope this forward is beneficial to the IETF architecture-discussion mailing list.

- Even though the the appended email claims that this was widely cross-posted,
  i did NOT see it in any of the many IETF mailing lists i am subscribed to.

- I could not find any actual public place (mailing list) for an open
  discussion about he topic of the paper:

- internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org does not allow Global ISOC members to
  join by themselves, nor do i know if it would welcome discussion.
  In fact it is not even listed on the set of pubic ISOC mailing lists.
  So the nature of this mailing list seems to be secret to me.

- NewIP-Discussion-Paper@isoc.org does seem to be just an alias for
  the authors. Unfortunately, the set of recipient seems to be secret,
  so i would not know the extend of people who will receive my emails,
  no would i be able to know about any other feedback (no public archive
  of the alias). If there was for example any US EAR entity listed
  recipient on that private mailing list alias, i could be violating
  US export regulations by sending technical detail explanations to 
  such a non-public alias.

>From these few data points, i find the proposed communication mechanisms
about that paper somewhat confusing, if not concerning, but maybe i do
misunderstand how ISOC is or is not an open communtiy like i have experienced
IETF to be.



> On April 28, 2020 at 2:33:06 AM, Olaf Kolkman via InternetPolicy (internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org) wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> With the usual cross-post apologies[*].
> In the run up to the ITU World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly (WTSA-20) later this year there has been some discussion about a proposal called the “New IP”. It is positioned as a top-down architecture to solve a number of use cases that are currently been developed in the ITU-T’s Future Network 2030 Focus Group.
> The Internet Society is carefully following the developments in the run-up to WTSA-20. We are trying to understand if and how the New IP works with the Internet as we know it, if it actually solves problems that cannot be solved in the Internet, and, if the ITU-T is developing standards, where other standards development organizations (SDOs) have change control.
> In order to get a sense of the environment we commissioned a discussion paper, “An analysis of the ‘New IP’ proposal to the ITU-T.” The paper helps inform us and the broader community whilst the public debate around these proposals shapes up. It also aims to inform and shape the discussion from the Internet’s Society’s perspective. Eventually the debate around it will inform our position and the potential further evolution of the discussion paper itself. Note that the paper documents the Internet Society’s emerging opinion, but does not represent a final Internet Society position. Instead, we intend it as a means to gather information and insight from our community on the topic.
> We welcome any feedback on “An analysis of the ‘New IP’ via the email address NewIP-Discussion-Paper@isoc.org
> —Olaf Kolkman
> [*] This mail has been sent to various relevant mailing lists and featured as a blog on the Internet Society website.
> Olaf M. Kolkman	
> Principal - Internet Technology, Policy, and Advocacy	
> Internet Society	Tweets as: @kolkman
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