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Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

"Patrik Fältström " <paf@frobbit.se> Sun, 29 December 2019 11:18 UTC

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From: Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
Cc: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>, architecture-discuss@iab.org
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 12:18:19 +0100
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience
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On 29 Dec 2019, at 10:39, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 06:32:54PM +0000,
>  Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting> wrote
>  a message of 229 lines which said:
>
>> The lack of an effective, global policy making body for the internet
>> is a problem that needs to be addressed as it is a significant gap.
>
> This statement is questionable. As noted by Randy Bush and Brian Carpenter, such a body would have an extraordinary power (in the past, even the worst dictator had a power limited to the borders of the country), and then we would have to think about how to limit and control that power.

And more importantly, IF there is a governance body, there must by definition be something that is to be governed.

I have hard time understanding what that could be.

Coordination is something completely different, and we should aim towards continuing the effective coordination we have done so far.

   Patrik

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