[arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Tue, 31 December 2019 09:42 UTC

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:42:36 +0700
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Dear architecture-discuss (Brian and Others),

The term "strategy" reminds me about readings may be related:

- If we go along with "cyberspace" at least there is D.D. Clark et all's
"Tussle in Cyberspace: Defining Tomorrow's Internet" (IEEE/ACM Transactions
on Networking, 2005)

It considered "Cyberspace", tussle and the evolution of the network's
technical architecture. It is referred in the present draft of "End Users"
by M. Nottingham.


- by the term "space" of "cyberspace" we may come to a reading Jean
Hillier's "Strategic Spatial Planning: a Multiplanar Methodology for
Strategic Spatial Planning" (EspacesTemps.net, 2015) discussing
"...strategic spatial planning in conditions of indeterminacy or
uncertainty..." For its reference to a particular way of thinking language,
a postructuralist way --and we remember that Internet may be understood as
networks of languages-- I suppose this reading is contemporaneous... It
developed a multiplanar methodology...


Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Selasa, 31 Desember 2019, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> menulis:

> On 31-Dec-19 01:04, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >
> >> Il 30/12/2019 12:35 Christian <cdel@firsthand.net> ha scritto:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Vittorio,
> >>
> >> I don't understand your objections.
> >>
> >> Are they?
> >
> > This is not yet another discussion on DoH - yes I have problems with how
> it is being deployed, though mostly different from the ones you list(*),
> but this is not the topic here. The discussion is rather about the IETF's
> pretense not to be making Internet policy (DoH is just an example where
> this pretense has been widely challenged)
> Sorry, I don't get it. I've taken my own decision about DoH policy, by
> using a browser that
> has a mechanism for avoiding DoH, because I think it puts power over the
> integrity of the namespace into the wrong hands. Other people, in other
> geographies, might have an opposite policy. Many end users may not even
> know that they have a policy choice. This is utterly outside the control of
> the IETF.
> Earlier, you wrote:
> >> But, as I said, the need for global Internet policies will not go away
> just because we do not know how to fulfill it - they will just be decided
> in other ways, a huge private oligopoly being the most likely and the
> scariest one.
> Welcome to capitalism. Except that a large part of the policy landscape is
> set geographically by varying political systems, so what we actually have
> is a very complex interplay between various transnational oligopolies and
> ~200 political systems. Again, utterly outside the control of the IETF.
> In this environment, designing for resilience seems like a wise strategy.
>    Brian
> > and about the idea of global Internet policy-making processes.
> >
> >
> > (*) if you're interested in this, here is a recent panel discussion with
> multiple views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yMZEAvS3M
> >
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