Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

Scott Brim <> Sat, 28 December 2019 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 4:07 PM Patrik Fältström <paf=> wrote:

> ICANN, ITU and many other processes are different. Very different.

First of all, yes -- and the ITU-T process attracts certain kinds of people
and certain kinds of goals, just as the IETF and ICANN do. This -- the
character of other organizations -- needs to be taken into account when
deciding whether the IETF can cede all policy decisions to others.

Second, historically the wiretap discussions were very significant in that
the IETF explicitly made a policy decision in the form of an engineering
decision. At least when I was active I believe the IETF considered policy
issues all the time, if only implicitly.