Re: [arch-d] Fwd: A Public Option for the Core

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Sun, 16 August 2020 15:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Fwd: A Public Option for the Core
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And the second is that service level implies connection. It only requires the network understands a label *I* control, rather than trying to infer one from the packet contents. 

Joe

> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:19 AM, John Day <jeanjour@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: John Day <jeanjour@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [arch-d] A Public Option for the Core
>> Date: August 16, 2020 at 06:18:04 EDT
>> To: John Grant <j@ninetiles.com>
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>> No, that is not true.  Your first mistake is that there is a control plane.
>> 
>> John
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>>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 06:02, John Grant <j@ninetiles.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 16/08/2020 02:48, Joseph Touch wrote:
>>>> *I* want apps to be able to get different service from the network and to pay differently for them if needed, but *never* to have the network infer or enforce that mapping.
>>> Of course, if you're going to do that -- have the application negotiate a particular kind of service rather than have the network "inspect" the packets and guess what service is needed -- you need a control plane protocol (let's call it "signalling") to do the negotiation, and you no longer have the connectionless/stateless paradigm on which IP is founded.
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