Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services

[Geoff Huston <[e-mail]>]

> On 17 Apr 2020, at 7:17 am, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> On 17-Apr-20 05:48, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 02:56:30PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> It may also be worth noting that a, perhaps the, major add-on
>>> change in IPv6 --much touted in its early days-- was supposed to
>>> be ubiquitous lP-level encryption.
> 
> Not touted by the IPv6 protagonists,

Evidently you never sat through a Latif Ladid presentation Brian! I heard
many many many stories about how IPv6 and IPSEC was a revolutionary
combination that was going to change the internet, yada yada yada.

> Yes, there was an intention
> to make IPsec mandatory-to-implement, but there was never a claim from the
> IETF that IPv6 with IPsec was intrinsically more secure than IPv4 with IPsec.
> 

Gee, the rooms I was in at the time was full of such wondrous claims. I kinda
wonder which room you were in at the time!

With 20/20 hindsight I’d say the host-centric perspective of IPSEC was comprehensively 
flawed, as the subsequent move in the marketplace for protocols attests.

As for IPv6: extension headers. No more need be said.

Geoff