Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"

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From: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Ian Peter <ian.peter@ianpeter.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 23:22, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

> In any case, for a "discussion" paper as this one, it would be great to point to an actual forum where the discussion can be had.

In addition to the public mailing list that ISOC has subsequently created (https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion-papers/), is there a suitable forum for discussion of the "New IP" proposal within the IETF (noting from earlier debate that the Architecture-discuss list is technically an IAB one)?  

I note that there has been some pushback about the ITU looking at this, however it's not clear to me that anyone else is looking seriously at longer-term development like this so it appears to have left a vacuum.  I could of course be mistaken in that, look forward to being corrected as appropriate.


Andrew