Re: [arch-d] I-D Action: draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-12.txt

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Thu, 02 February 2023 05:34 UTC

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And while we’re at it:

broad … approval != valid

At best, it could be claimed that the guidance might be “popular”.

Joe

On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:



I find the sentence "The document had broad but not unanimous approval within the IAB, reflecting that while the guidance is valid, concerns were expressed in the IETF community about how broadly it applies in all situations" to be somewhat odd.  Given that the document is an IAB statement and not an IETF consensus statement, it should not be making comments about the community view of the document.   I suspect that the statement is intended to imply something about the degree of IAB support for publication, but whatever it is intended to accomplish, I don't think it works.

Yours,

Joel

On 2/1/2023 7:58 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Internet Architecture Board IETF of the IETF.

        Title           : Maintaining Robust Protocols
        Authors         : Martin Thomson
                          David Schinazi
  Filename        : draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-12.txt
  Pages           : 17
  Date            : 2023-02-01

Abstract:
   The main goal of the networking standards process is to enable the
   long term interoperability of protocols.  This document describes
   active protocol maintenance, a means to accomplish that goal.  By
   evolving specifications and implementations, it is possible to reduce
   ambiguity over time and create a healthy ecosystem.

   The robustness principle, often phrased as "be conservative in what
   you send, and liberal in what you accept", has long guided the design
   and implementation of Internet protocols.  However, it has been
   interpreted in a variety of ways.  While some interpretations help
   ensure the health of the Internet, others can negatively affect
   interoperability over time.  When a protocol is actively maintained,
   protocol designers and implementers can avoid these pitfalls.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-protocol-maintenance/" rel="nofollow">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-protocol-maintenance/

There is also an HTML version available at:
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A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-12" rel="nofollow">https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-12


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