Re: [arch-d] Liaison reports (was: Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-06-11)

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 02 June 2020 15:22 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:22:01 -0500
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To: Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Liaison reports (was: Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-06-11)
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Hi, Mirja,

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:18 AM Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
wrote:

> Hello Bob,
>
> Thanks for the proposal. I’ll check with the liaison shepherds and the
> rest of the IAB to make sure we have document the current practice
> correctly on this page and the IAB liaisons page.
>

Thanks for this, and thanks to SM for noticing.

My recollection, which is not recent, is that most of the liaison managers
don't do much, most of the time, *as long as things are going well. *There
are exceptions.

   - I was on the IAB from 2010-2013, and ITU-T liaison managers were so
   busy that we split off a separate IAB program for ITU-T so that we had time
   to pay attention to other SDOs.
   https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/concluded-programs/sdo-coordination-program/
   - IEEE 802 and IETF had a well-understood working relationship (
   https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4441) until enough people turned over
   that everyone forgot everything, and we had to repair the relationship with
   the first (and so far only) IAB Joint Activity (
   https://www.iab.org/activities/joint-activities/iab-ieee-coordination/),
   but most of that work doesn't flow through the formal liaison relationship
   - it's well-documented at
   https://www.iab.org/activities/joint-activities/iab-ieee-coordination/.
   - There is a 3GPP-IETF Coordination mailing list, with periodic
   meetings, but I'm not sure if that's publicly archived. That might be a
   candidate for a second IAB Joint Activity, with published minutes.

But as we often say, if it's critical to work with the IETF through the
formal liaison channels, that's not fast. I was told on a recent 3GPP SA2
teleconference that SA can't report out "3GPP requirements for IETF
protocols" until the SA2 study item ENDS.

Joint participation works best (and is more attractive now that most
organizations aren't traveling to physical meetings). The IAB Joint
Activities (formal and informal) seem to do a lot of heavy lifting. So I'm
not sure how critical "liaison manager reports" are supposed to be.

That's a good conversation for the IAB to think about, either as the IAB
itself, or in the IAB SDO Coordination Program (
https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/iab-liaison-coordination-program/).

Do The Right Thing, of course :-)

Best,

Spencer