Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 27 December 2019 21:27 UTC

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 13:26:41 -0800
To: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>, architecture-discuss@iab.org
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience
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Hi Andrew,
At 03:24 AM 24-12-2019, Andrew Campling wrote:
>Noting the above exchange, I wonder whether a wider discussion needs 
>to take place about resilience and related topics like 
>centralisation and consolidation.  To do this properly it really 
>needs the involvement of a much more diverse set of stakeholders and 
>really needs to address both policy and technical considerations as 
>just doing the latter in isolation will not really get to the core 
>issues.  I think that a debate led by a body like the IGF but with 
>input when appropriate on technical considerations by the IAB/IETF 
>would be a much more useful exercise than something focused purely 
>within the IAB/IETF.

Does the IAB/IETF have a good record of addressing policy considerations?

It would be good to consider the objective(s) before getting into who 
needs to be involved.  Would writing an IAB statement help to attain 
the objective?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy