Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Fri, 17 April 2020 20:48 UTC

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Victor, thanks for the stroll down memory lane!

Dino

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Victor Reijs <victor.reijs@sidn.nl> wrote:
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> Together with Juha Hinanen for instance and many other NRENs in Europe and together the people in USA (I think a few people of MERIT plaid a large role in developing IS-IS and IDRP) and together with  Cisco we build and tested this large CLNS network on a multi-protocol network (partly KPN in Europe). 
> We had printed a great T-shirt with the Tuba symbol on it, I still find it a pity I threw it away! It would have been a real collectors item.
> 
> We used the first IS-IS implementations (which is the only thing that is left of this project) and we were just in the middle of developing IDRP (the BGP in the CLNS environment), and then came the decision to go with IPv6😉.
> 
> I must have some EPROMs for cisco router with the early code somewhere. Would be nice to plan a reunion.
> 
> All the best and stay healthy,
> 
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> Victor Reijs
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Day <jeanjour@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, 17 April 2020 20:03
>> To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
>> Cc: architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Victor Reijs <victor.reijs@sidn.nl>; Toerless
>> Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>; S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
>> Subject: Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing
>> 5G new services
>> 
>> thanks for the correction. Yes, the TUBA adaption of CLNP was done in the IETF.
>> However, CLNP was an ISO effort.
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:13, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> TUBA/CLNS was an ISO effort. It is true that it does have a ITU number but
>> nearly all OSI standards had both an ISO number and an ITU number.
>>> 
>>> This is not true.
>>> 
>>> We did all the TUBA work in the IETF. And we had multiple implementations
>> running interoperability tests at the Amsterdam IETF in 1993. Ross Callon, Peter
>> Ford and Richard Colella, among others were part of the effort.
>>> 
>>> I remember telneting from a cisco router using an NSAP address to telnet server
>> implementations from Peter and Richard.
>>> 
>>> Dino
>>> 
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