Re: [arch-d] Network Architecture in the Internet Society

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Fri, 31 January 2020 05:05 UTC

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From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:04:59 +0700
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Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,

The post  in OPEN Forum Community Library is about those document saved in
the architecture-discuss mailarchive I mentioned above plus

 Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and
the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00

While, I have not included yet that of T. Leva and H. Suommi's...

I emphasized on socio-economic and architectural learnings attempted by
those documents there--while the post at architecture-discuss emphazised on
feasibility of the Internet architecture in relation with aesthetic and
ethic experiences.

This is what I saved in OPEN FORUM Community Library:

"Consolidation of the Internet: From the Socio-Economic to the
Architectural"

This documents refer to "Consolidation in the Internet" which is of
economic and architectural approaches and perspectives:

- ISOC Global Internet Report Consolidation in the Internet Economy
https://future.internetsociety.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/04/InternetSociety-GlobalInternetReport-ConsolidationintheInternetEconomy.pdf

- Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation and
the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00
- Sullivan, Andrew, "Three Kinds of Concentration in Open Protocols",
IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019
https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/p7-sulllivan-three_kinds_concentration_ajs_dedr.pdf

- Arkko, Jarri, "Centralized Architecture in Internet Architecture",
Internet Draft, 2019
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-arkko-arch-infrastructure-centralisation-00.txt
Kutscher, Dirk, "Protocol Design and Socio-economic Realities", in the
IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019
https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/p14-kutscher-internet-design-kutscher.pdf


Note: This post is related with another one in this "Open Forum": Restream:
Internet Consolidation: What Lies beneath the Application Layer..."
(December 14th 2019)
https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?GroupId=67&MessageKey=426220c6-e41e-45c8-8872-7f0cc455f492&CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd&tab=digestviewer&ReturnUrl=%2fcommunities%2fcommunity-home%2fdigestviewer%3fCommunityKey%3d3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd








Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
menulis:

> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,
>
>
> I am new there, I have not know muc "how to": I think one needs to create
> an account in the Internet Society to join with OPEN FORUM Community to
> access its features:
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/
>
>
> But at this architecture-discuss, where we are now, one may simply access
> its mail archives for the documents on "Consolidation of the Internet" --so
> it is nothing new but such a networked community of reading, such a
> networked library:
>
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/
> sdTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U
>
> I find no search engine facility for documents at OPEN FORUM community
> Library while there is one at architecture-discuss mail archive.
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> menulis:
>
>> Is there a way to see the document without creating an account?
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear architecture-discuss,
>>
>> Documents related with the current issues on "consolidation of the
>> Internet" saved in the "Open Forum" community of the Internet Society:
>>
>>
>> https://connect.internetsociety.org/viewdocument/consolidati
>> on-of-the-internet-from?CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-
>> 9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd&tab=librarydocuments#ItemCommentPanel
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>>
>>