Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 15 October 2020 22:46 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?
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On 15-Oct-20 23:14, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2020, at 21:58, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> When we try to go wider than that, we fail. I am not very sympathetic to "a true multi-stakeholder consultation process as suggested by the IAB’s RFC 8890". The IETF is not in any way a suitable vehicle for that kind of process, as anyway who remembers WGIG/WSIS is well aware.
> 
> The reason in the end that I supported that document was that I believe there are aspects that the IETF could really stand to improve.  In particular, outreach is not something from which we should shy away.  Rather we individually should view it as a responsibility.  To think otherwise leads to ill-considered proposals that either get deployed and later cause problems, or simply don’t get deployed.

Yes, and I certainly support the higher level message of RFC8890. But actually organizing outreach to civil society and governments is way outside the IETF's and IAB's skill set. We have traditionally relied on ISOC for that, and that's one of the reasons that the IAB is chartered "as a source of advice and guidance to the Board of Trustees and Officers of the Internet Society concerning technical, architectural, procedural, and (where appropriate) policy matters". Has the ISOC Board discussed RFC8890?

    Brian