Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Mon, 18 December 2023 02:25 UTC

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On 12/17/2023 4:44 PM, Andrew Campling wrote:
> At 8:08 PM 16-12-2023, S Moonesamy<sm+ietf@elandsys.com>  wrote:
> 
>> I would like to commend the members of the IAB for acknowledging the concern about societal harms.
> The document states that "The IAB shares concerns about societal harms through the distribution of illegal content and criminal action on the Internet and recognizes the need to protect Internet users from such threats".  Whilst the document rules out the use of client-side scanning (a definition of which could usefully be added), it does not go on to indicate how the IAB recommends Internet users should be protected from such threats; is there a plan to produce a separate document that addresses this important issue?

The current police powers seem sufficient to catch these criminals. See 
for example the recent arrest of 80 alleged pedophiles in France 
(https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/12/09/france-detains-80-in-largest-child-sex-crime-swoop_6327996_7.html). 
The article is a bit short on how the police did it, but it smells of 
old fashioned police work, infiltrating networks, seizing documents and 
eventually rolling up these networks.

The hoopla in Europe seem to have been whipped up by a "non profit" 
organization that wanted to sell Artificial Intelligence systems to the 
police, and somehow required access to clear text exchanges for their 
system to work, be sold to the police, and make them money. It was 
probably amplified by police organizations in search of extra 
surveillance powers (e.g., Europol). The whole thing was debated in the 
European parliament, where the proposal was voted down.

-- Christian Huitema