Re: [arch-d] Network Architecture in the Internet Society

[Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>]

Dear architecture-discuss,



Cyberspace, geography, economy and architecture:


In "architecture" there are a moment to consider "principles that can be
utilized to create order in an architectural composition" (F. D. K. Ching,
"Architecture: Form, Space and Order", John Wiley & Sons, New Jersey &
Canada, 2007, p. 338) among others there is "rythm" referring to "any
movement characterized by a patterned recurrence of elements or motifs at
regular or irregular intervals" (ibid., p. 382). Nikander ever noted the
importance of noticing moments of repeatances ("Reflections on
Architecture").

# A bibliography

*) Space Economy

Pour faire référence à cet article (ISO 690)

Kevin Cox, « The State and Varieties of Space Economy. », EspacesTemps.net
[En ligne], Travaux, 2018 | Mis en ligne le 9 août 2018, consulté le
09.08.2018. URL : https://www.espacestemps.net/a
rticles/the-state-and-varieties-of-space-economy/ ; DOI : 10.26151/xpk0-5t53

*) Economy of Rythm

Pour faire référence à cet article (ISO 690)

Yves Crozet, « Économie des rythmes urbains. », EspacesTemps.net [En
ligne], Travaux, 2019 | Mis en ligne le 9 mai 2019, consulté le 09.05.2019.
URL : https://www.espacestemps.net/articles/economie-des-rythmes-urbains/ ;
DOI : 10.26151/espacestemps.net-9a82-fr23


*) Rythm analysis

- Pour faire référence à cet article (ISO 690)

Guillaume Drevon, Luc Gwiazdzinski, Vincent Kaufmann et Luca Pattaroni, «
Rythmes de vie(s), rythmes de ville(s). », EspacesTemps.net [En ligne],
Traverses, 2018 | Mis en ligne le 21 décembre 2018, consulté le 21.12.2018.
URL : https://www.espacestemps.net/articles/rythmes-de-vies-rythme
s-de-villes/ ; DOI : 10.26151/espacestemps.net-m2z4-6535

- Pour faire référence à cet article (ISO 690)

Maie Gérardot, « Penser en rythmes. », EspacesTemps.net [En ligne],
Travaux, 2007 | Mis en ligne le 8 décembre 2007, consulté le 08.12.2007.
URL : https://www.espacestemps.net/articles/penser-en-rythmes/

# (Problems of) Methods of Readings

It is supposedly interesting: notions tried in the bibliographies --but I
red it at glance so far: a guidance to arrive at the above bibligraphies I
need to make:

(Request for) Comments is about commenting texts & Hyper Text (Transfer
Protocol) is also about a technology may be related with such an
understanding on reality as text (1): To the above bibliographies/texts
there should be critical readings which is about interpretations and
evaluations --if it is especially about planning/programming-- based on
contexts which are among others real conditions --social, historical and
other ones-- of readers.


NOTE:

- Hyperreality: reality as text. I tried to elaborate it in

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-informationarchitecture/2020Jan/0004.html


Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra



Pada Minggu, 01 Maret 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]> menulis:

> Dear architecture-discuss,
>
> Tim Berners-Lee said about "networks of languages" as those with what
> users get engaged with the Web and the Internet: it was in "Stack of
> Specification" as part of the "Design Issues: Architectural and
> Philosophical Points"(1). So, architecturally thinking on "the Internet
> economy" refers us to what were ever mentioned by these "E-Flux editors"
>
> The Internet and the Economy of Languages...:
>
> Julieta Aranda, Brian Kuan Wood, and Anton Vidokle
> Editorial—‟Language and Internet” (2)
>
> "...
>
> As the role of the state in ensuring the value of currency has grown
> weaker over the past few decades, markets have increasingly assumed the
> qualities of language, of a "system of signs in which the only essential
> thing is the union of meanings" (Saussure). The other language economy is
> of course the internet, where it was thought that the immaterial qualities
> of language would evade limits in supply and demand. But now for some
> reason, this promise reverses. As language becomes more free, everything
> else becomes incredibly expensive. This has made language, and the internet
> with it, a class battleground now more than ever, because it represents
> access to both knowledge and capital simultaneously.
>
> ...".
>
> https://www.e-flux.com/journal/45/60099/editorial-language-and-internet
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> Note:
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> (1)  "The Internet works because of interoperability between different
> computers, despite different hardware, operating systems, local language
> context, and software supplier. Users of the web sign on to the use of
> these languages when they use the Internet". (TBL, "Stack of
> Specifications")
>
> (2) I added this source to the Open Forum Library of the Internet Society
> "Consolidation of the Internet: from the Socio-Economic to the
> Architectural"
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> https://w3.org/DesignIssues/Stack.html
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>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Selasa, 25 Februari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
> menulis:
>
>> Dear architecture-discuss,
>>
>> Pekka Nikander, in "Reflections on Architecture" of the previous message,
>> mentioned little about "economy and information (security)": by this thread
>> of "(Consolidation of) the Internet Economy: from the socio-economic to the
>> architectural", I wander would these raw materials of thought works for an
>> economy of the Internet:
>>
>>
>> "Goods and services: Here we are. What is it there...? What does happen
>> there...? What could we make there...? Would our sad heart --because of
>> stupidities/foolishness and failures-- be entertained...? Would our
>> passions -- for truth, justice and beauty -- be well served...? --including
>> of ourselves...?
>>
>> Those people either are or were great, it is said: for what they have
>> made available to many others, for what they have made inspiring --saying
>> about acceptances and denials by-- many others: concepts and technics. Part
>> of those things have been being through places and times, many countries
>> and being made survived for decades, for centuries... Other part of those
>> things have been forgotten though ever enjoyed long celebrations: and, yes,
>> there were then revelations of what were silent before... They just took
>> rest while kept maintained in such simplicities until other things came to
>> and take them with new hopes, new happines, new plans, new games... (It is
>> like a story on concepts in the making: with their histories, ...)
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Here we have more, here we lack of... There are others by whom we may
>> talk to and exchange with... Farewell: just take journeys... (so it is then
>> here we are in journeys or we may be there in journeys...)
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "Here we have , here we lack of": does it not represent an understanding
>> about "justice"...? What are about "truth" and "beauty"...?
>>
>> If it does refers us to a notion on "justice", or perhaps precisely
>> "natural justice", if it is how "justice" works, then how do we take our
>> journeys..?
>>
>> Choices and risks, benefits and costs, gains and pains.... There are
>> rules of games: is it not illusive not to think/to think otherwise that
>> profits are just equal to costs/sacrifices, that victories are equal to
>> struggles...? And, there are as well the historical as the social, as well
>> succesive generations as consensus/collectivities/togetherness, we live
>> in: of rules of games, of "justice".
>> ...
>>
>> The circle, or the equation, of trust, responsibility, and facility...
>> People trust ones in such ways to take responsibilities to provide them
>> with goods or services accompanied by facilities to work on the
>> responsibilities...--including such physio- and psychoterapies of rest...
>>
>>
>> ...".
>>
>>
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Senin, 24 Februari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear architecture-discuss,
>>>
>>> By opening files at www.ietfjournal.org I finded this out: Among others
>>> this is one worked on by the IETF publication on "architecture" which
>>> mentioned also about "architecture-discuss" in the time of its beginning
>>> --I then made it part of the entry on "Consolidation of the Internet..." at
>>> the Internet Society's Open Forum Library:
>>>
>>> NETWORKING RESEARCHReflections on
>>> <https://www.ietfjournal.org/contributing_authors/pekka-nikander/>
>>> ArchitectureBy: Pekka Nikander
>>> <https://www.ietfjournal.org/contributing_authors/pekka-nikander/>Date:
>>> December 2005
>>>
>>>
>>> "I happen to have an architect’s mind. Looking at the network of today,
>>> I strongly feel the pain of the current architecture’s cracking and
>>> squeaking. Consequently, I believe that we – the wider IETF community
>>> responsible for Internet technology – need to re-think the architecture. We
>>> need to find a way to re-create the core of the Internet in a way that
>>> leads to a new era of innovation and intellectual prosperity. The highlight
>>> of my IETF64 meeting in Vancouver was that I started to see signs of
>>> interest and activity in the broader community to pursue such a goal.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The IAB has recently created a new mailing list, architecture-discuss
>>> [15], for wider discussion of architectural issues, which I hope will
>>> develop into a valuable forum over time. I hope to see you there".
>>>
>>> https://www.ietfjournal.org/reflections-on-architecture
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Dear Russ & architecture-discuss,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just added Leva. T & H. Suommi's "Framework of Analyzing
>>>> Feasibility of Internet Protocols" to the before-mentioned list of readings
>>>> by "Add Comment" Facility in the OPEN FORUM Community Library:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ###
>>>> To the list of readings above (Consolidation of the Internet: from the
>>>> Socio-Economic to the Architectural) may I add "Framework of Analyzing
>>>> Feasibility of Internet Potocols" (Leva, T. & H. Suommi, the IAB Workshop
>>>> on Internet Technology Adootion and Transition 2013) which was ever to be
>>>> part of [e-mail] "Centralization or diversity?"
>>>> January 22th 2020:
>>>>
>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/s
>>>> dTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ###
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note:
>>>> To clarify what I said in the previous message:
>>>> I mean the [e-mail] and the OPEN FORUM Community
>>>> Library may be about a networked community of reading, a networked library.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regard,
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
>>>> menulis:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,
>>>>>
>>>>> The post  in OPEN Forum Community Library is about those document
>>>>> saved in the architecture-discuss mailarchive I mentioned above plus
>>>>>
>>>>>  Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation
>>>>> and the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00
>>>>>
>>>>> While, I have not included yet that of T. Leva and H. Suommi's...
>>>>>
>>>>> I emphasized on socio-economic and architectural learnings attempted
>>>>> by those documents there--while the post at architecture-discuss emphazised
>>>>> on feasibility of the Internet architecture in relation with aesthetic and
>>>>> ethic experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what I saved in OPEN FORUM Community Library:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Consolidation of the Internet: From the Socio-Economic to the
>>>>> Architectural"
>>>>>
>>>>> This documents refer to "Consolidation in the Internet" which is of
>>>>> economic and architectural approaches and perspectives:
>>>>>
>>>>> - ISOC Global Internet Report Consolidation in the Internet Economy
>>>>> https://future.internetsociety.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/s
>>>>> ites/2/2019/04/InternetSociety-GlobalInternetReport-Consolid
>>>>> ationintheInternetEconomy.pdf
>>>>> - Arkko, Jarri et all., "Considerations on the Internet Consolidation
>>>>> and the Internet Architecture", Internet-Draft, IETF, Expired April 2019
>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-00
>>>>> - Sullivan, Andrew, "Three Kinds of Concentration in Open Protocols",
>>>>> IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019 https://www.iab.org/wp-content
>>>>> /IAB-uploads/2019/05/p7-sulllivan-three_kinds_concentration_
>>>>> ajs_dedr.pdf
>>>>> - Arkko, Jarri, "Centralized Architecture in Internet Architecture",
>>>>> Internet Draft, 2019
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-arkko-arch-infrastructure-cent
>>>>> ralisation-00.txt
>>>>> Kutscher, Dirk, "Protocol Design and Socio-economic Realities", in the
>>>>> IAB-DEDR Workshop 2019
>>>>> https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2019/05/p14-kutsc
>>>>> her-internet-design-kutscher.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: This post is related with another one in this "Open Forum":
>>>>> Restream: Internet Consolidation: What Lies beneath the Application
>>>>> Layer..." (December 14th 2019) https://connect.internetsociet
>>>>> y.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?Gro
>>>>> upId=67&MessageKey=426220c6-e41e-45c8-8872-7f0cc455f492&Comm
>>>>> unityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd&tab=digestview
>>>>> er&ReturnUrl=%2fcommunities%2fcommunity-home%2fdigestviewer%
>>>>> 3fCommunityKey%3d3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f-ecec4ffe56dd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard,
>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>
>>>>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Russ and architecture-discuss,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am new there, I have not know muc "how to": I think one needs to
>>>>>> create an account in the Internet Society to join with OPEN FORUM Community
>>>>>> to access its features:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But at this architecture-discuss, where we are now, one may simply
>>>>>> access its mail archives for the documents on "Consolidation of the
>>>>>> Internet" --so it is nothing new but such a networked community of reading,
>>>>>> such a networked library:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/s
>>>>>> dTkLd7q7wXyfAnjJQlNceWPr8U
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find no search engine facility for documents at OPEN FORUM
>>>>>> community Library while there is one at architecture-discuss mail archive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pada Jumat, 31 Januari 2020, Russ Housley <[e-mail]>
>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to see the document without creating an account?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Russ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra <[e-mail]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear architecture-discuss,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Documents related with the current issues on "consolidation of the
>>>>>>> Internet" saved in the "Open Forum" community of the Internet Society:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://connect.internetsociety.org/viewdocument/consolidati
>>>>>>> on-of-the-internet-from?CommunityKey=3a9fa082-a518-475d-9e7f
>>>>>>> -ecec4ffe56dd&tab=librarydocuments#ItemCommentPanel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>