Re: [arch-d] clusterpation, was Proposed IAB program: Evolvability, Deployability , & Maintainability.

tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> Wed, 22 July 2020 16:19 UTC

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From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] clusterpation, was Proposed IAB program: Evolvability, Deployability , & Maintainability.
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From: Architecture-discuss <architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Sent: 22 July 2020 16:38

> Obviously we could invent a new RFC publication status like "conditional",
> so anything with unresolved normative references gets first published
> as a conditional RFC having a new normative section of conditional
> normative dependencies, pointing to the draft versions.
>
> As soon as ALL the required normative references exist as RFCs too,
> they are all updated in status from conditional to whatever their
> ultimate target status was.

If we're going to republish RFCs I would rather address the general
versioning question rather than just this special case.  But for this
special case, I still think a better route is to push WGs to deal with
drafts in an order that doesn't produce huge clusters.

Some of the drafts in C238 were so old that I worry that the world may
have changed while the drafts snoozed.

<tp>
I have not looked at C238 but I do know of a draft I worked on that is awaiting progress on a Normative Reference which will fail because the world has changed.  This is a cross-WG issue where one WG sets out to provide something useful, others use it and then the something really useful changes in nature and becomes unusable.

This could happen with YANG common types modules.  Some WG have recognised that types needs several iterations to get right and so have held the types back until at least one using module is ready to advance with it which then reduces the risk.  Others just duplicate the definitions they want which can cause other issues.

Tom Petch
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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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