Re: [arch-d] How old is too old and what this means for product lifecycles? Re: [Last-Call] [TLS] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 05 December 2020 19:01 UTC

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> I know you're just being sarcastic

moi?

> Microsoft, in cooperation with INRIA and others has done a bunch of
> great work on code verification

indeed.  impressive work.  and galois has a solid foot in a very
interesting part of the space too; as do a bunch of folk.

but i suspect that it will be at least until after the holidays that all
this will seriously improve the quality of the code 'dumped' on github.

randy