[arch-d] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt

Dear S. Monesamy, Mark &
architecture-discuss,

Representativity of the Internet Users as Individuals, Organization and
civil society is about Legitimacy...?

The Internet and Individuals as users in a network society...:  may it not
help to arrive at such an understanding of representativity and
legitimacy...?

"An Individual/person, by network society with ICTs as a structural matrix
of experiences, of meanings and values, is a momentous synthesis, or a
conflict domain --there may be still existed conflicts accompanying her/his
choices of acts--, of networks of things/languages with/for/to/among which
s/he celebrates/affirmes her/his life/existence..".

I said so --with additions here-- in in messages in the thread " Possible
new IAB program on Internet trust model evolution" of this
architecture-discuss list

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/CIlb9iJRv-4m7gUeK8dGiVAEJts

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/9oNuNqcJa4POZPWasivW7iKSqEY

Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Minggu, 02 Februari 2020, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> menulis:

> Hi Mark,
> At 06:51 AM 01-02-2020, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit confused by your line of questioning here. Section 4.1 explains
>> why we need to account for users' needs, but shouldn't expect users to just
>> show up and represent them. So, it suggests some ways we might improve over
>> the status quo.
>>
>> No one person or organisation represents' users needs; it's much more
>> complex than that.
>>
>
> I apologize for the strong reply and the line of questioning.  The
> questions which I sent were difficult ones.  It is, as you mentioned, a
> complex matter.
>
> Some parts in Section 4.1 are about accounting for users' needs by
> engaging with groups which are representative of the users.  Such an
> approach would not unfeasible.  One way in which organizations tackle that
> is to identify some form of representativity where users are represented
> under civil society.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
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