Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 24 January 2020 23:59 UTC

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Hi Mark,
At 09:36 PM 23-01-2020, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>I'm not sure what you mean. I don't see a literal question mark near 
>the reference in the published text document.

Sorry for not being clear.  There isn't a literal question 
mark.  I'll try and explain the point.  There is the following text: 
"We embrace technical concepts such as decentralized control 
..."  The reality is that the "control" has moved in the opposite 
direction, i.e. there is centralization.   The "social good" is being 
challenged because of significant cases of misuse.  The misuse range 
from the impact on the individual to impact at country level.

>They are contrasting the IETF community with the (broader, greater) 
>Internet community.

Ok.

>I'm not sure there's anything actionable in your statement here, so 
>I'll just move on.

Ok.

>As explained elsewhere in the document, we don't rely on end users 
>coming to present their case in person, as it were.

On whom does the IAB rely on to present the case?

Is it the governments which represent the users as that is usually 
what governments do?  There is text in the draft which states that it 
is not automatic.  Is it the advocacy groups which participate in the 
Internet Engineering Task Force?  Is it the engineer who participates 
in the Internet Engineering Task Force?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy